I often listen to QI at work and today every now and then I would pause and draw whoever happened to be caught in the frame (to stop myself going around the bend) in a quick 1-4min sketch.
How can you be so smart and so fucking revoltingly ignorant at the same time like
Stephen Fry what the fuck
Second: It never ceases to amaze me how people can always go on about their own marginalized group without ever considering other minorities or oppressed peoples. The civil rights movement had a woman problem and the feminist movement still has a trans* and people of color problem. I could go on. Stephen Fry has clearly got an Islam problem.
Third: I can’t believe I have to make this point but here I go. ANY fundamentalist wants almost the same thing: no drinking, no dancing, women locked up, people to adhere to strict religious guidlines. This is mostly because fundamentalism is a fundamental reading of a 1000+ year old text. I say this because yes, if you take the Qur’an literally, there are some problematic things in there.
But if you look at it as a 7th century text that guaranteed the rights of inheritance of women, then you can see it’s how radical it was for its time. Not to mention that women were also guaranteed their portion of property in the even of a divorce. It speaks of People of the Book, which yes, is limited to monotheistic religions. But considering this was a time when Christians were killing each other over whether or not Jesus was divine, I’m going to let you think through that one on your own.
The problem with fundamentalism is always taking the text at it’s literal value (You can have four wives) without getting the argumentative, or rhetorical devices (as long as you treat them equally— if you don’t get the sarcasm in there, you’re missing out on a lot in life, I think).
My father, who grew up in the 50s in Bagdad, did not understand the basic premise of Sense and Sensibility. It didn’t make sense to him, because in his experience, women were guaranteed a piece of property from their family. It was a cultural leap he had trouble making. When he came to the States for his residency, he also had trouble figuring out where all the women doctors were, since half of his graduating medical school class in the 60s was women.
He was raised by a devoutly Shi’ite woman who made him learn to do the mending as part of chores. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF MUSLIMS. NOT JUST FUNDAMENTALISTS. JUST LIKE ALL CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED BY EVANGELICAL FUNDAMENTALISTS OR MEDIEVAL CRUSADERS.
And let’s not forget our own hand that we, as colonizers have played, in the creation of fundamentalism. We trained Al-Qaeda. We put the Bathists in power in Iraq in 1969 (including Sadaam). The British in particular have a long history of playing with extant power structures and creating ethnic conflict where there was none in their efforts to colonize THE WORLD. Shame on you Stephen Fry, for ignoring this piece of your own history.
Also, pro tip: the next time you use the words Islamist, please try using the word Christianist or Judaeist and see how fucking othering it sounds. Even if you’re describing people who believe in a fundamentalist religious guide to the government, which I clearly don’t (I feel I have to say this, since I just defended being muslim).